Islam might not be as incel friendly as we though [DISCUSS]

[zeddy]

Everyday i come across many Muslim foids on X/twitter actively hating on ugly men!

Islam hasn't really solved the blackpill, applying strict sharia on woman will not convince them to stop hating incel.
They would still dislike us incel and would often chastise us men based on our immutable characteristics.

Discuss why do some incels think that Islam is able to solve the blackpill?

[General Alek]

This should be interesting

[Sustacel250]

well, what islam is or isnt matters very little because when we western men take islam we select the parts of it that we like. I am sure there are variations of islam and some foids wlil be islamic sluts and so on. but you gotta remember when we touch islam, we significantly mod it.

for instance I noticed years ago that islam isnt very hard on women, because theres a ton of woman scholars. But who says you have to follow islam to the letter? We can have an incel spinoff where we emphasize the hardest most misogynist principles and whatever we like.

Whatever in islam we dont like we toss it in the trash. We make a spinoff variation. Lets see what comes out of it.

[Sustacel250]

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I dont disagree with the principle and lookismcels dont either. Lookismcels are into the idea of looksmatch which means chad gets stacy and uglyman gets ugly becky.

I criticized lookismcels and the concept of looksmatching many times but nobody replied to me.

I would do this for patriarchal reasons. For instance if I get a daughter I will have to marry her to some high status man. Also I will expect to retain property rights over my progeny and so I will not tolerate the state taking away my possessions. So in a nutshell I will want to give my daughter to chad and I will discriminate ugly demotivated people who follow ecelebs or relate to hollywood movies and think life is hollywood.

I get it, patriarchy is harsh but I like it more anyway. I want men in control. ANd when men are in control, women that are ugly have to be offered with dowry to compensate someone. And women that are attractve will go around easy and will marry easy.

Ugly men will matter in patriarchy if they are valuable or smart or productive or participate in the military or they offer any sort of value like knowledge skill or whatever. ugly retarded men instead will not matter, will be crushed and will be rejected not by women this time they will be rejected by us the patriarchs.

[zeddy]

for instance I noticed years ago that islam isnt very hard on women, because theres a ton of woman scholars.

Yes true, growing up Muslim i had tons of teachers who were woman who taught me every subject. Even in university more then
half of teachers in STEM are woman. Because Muslim men prefer real world field job.

Whatever in islam we dont like we toss it in the trash. We make a spinoff variation. Lets see what comes out of it.

That's a good idea, i think i would be still a Muslim if Islam have had a better epistemology I.E a systematic framework for knowledge seeking
that maximizes real world application since foids are attracted towards power given that knowledge is power. A new version of Islam or much rather a new sect of Islam needs to be invented just for this niche specifically that keeps the morality but upgrades its epistemological world view.

[Sustacel250]

that maximizes real world application since foids are attracted towards power given that knowledge is power. A new version of Islam or much rather a new sect of Islam needs to be invented just for this niche specifically that keeps the morality but upgrades its epistemological world view.

That is a job for people who are expert about it. Which means not me, im not into religion. But what I can do is offer another perspective. I think I can offer a misogynist perspective for example. But for serious scholar work on islam you gotta find some incel scholar who has the info.

[Sustacel250]

I like some aspects of islam i dislike others.

I like the charity and the idea of helping each other. Noticed charity is a big thing.

I dont like instead the idea of using women for propaganda. I think also christanity relied on women too much. But I understand maybe was a necessity in the past.

Also I didnt like the convid performance. I was told muslims are based, but they all got shotted with the vaccine. I mean, at the local kebap store they ask me "are you vaccinated". And I was thinking "muslims are based" so i laugh and say "of course not". And I was smiling thinking "we arent fuckign normies of course I didnt get it".

Instead the muslim looked at me worried... and he paused... and he told me he got vaxxed. I thought better of his kind, instead he deluded me.

[VH911]

It doesnt solve inceldom. These foids are the same everywhere if they live under the same circumstances. They all have access to internet.

But the Quote is actually fine as it is about choosing your looksmatch. The problem is just that modern women don't choose their looksmatch.

[Darth_aurelius]

Everyday i come across many Muslim foids on X/twitter actively hating on ugly men!

Islam hasn't really solved the blackpill, applying strict sharia on woman will not convince them to stop hating incel.
They would still dislike us incel and would often chastise us men based on our immutable characteristics.

Discuss why do some incels think that Islam is able to solve the blackpill?

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As I am certain you know, there are many variant and highly disparate forms of Islam which admonish and enjoin their followers and adherents in vastly different ways. Just like the eccentric convolutions of modern judaism which include reform, orthodox, conservative, etc., so too is Islam at least amenable to differing interpretations. If you were to go to places ruled by the strict application of a literalist interpretation of the Quran and reverence for the teachings of the Hadiths you would find that Sharia is enforced without exception or mercy. Salafism and Wahhabism bear little resemblance to the sort of apostacy which westernized imams and mullahs embrace and proselytize from their mosques in places like NYC, Vegas, LA or other lands of dar al kaffir.

Go to Afghanistan, Nigeria, Somalia or the territories still ruled by the blessed Caliphate and you will see that all foids are living in a condition of absolute submission to their male overlords and that any form of insolence is punished with death per the righteous dictates of holy Sharia. Inshallah.

[Sustacel250]

It doesnt solve inceldom. These foids are the same everywhere if they live under the same circumstances. They all have access to internet.

Dont be too desperate. Islam I think it can do the job.

Christianity doesnt because is hierarchical so they have one max authority: the pope.

So christianity requires of us to do a schism basically. In islam, they got no church, no central authority no pope. What they have is scholars, legal schools and communities.

What I understand about it is: all you have to do is interpret the quran. You claim you follow islam (you say so, nobody can disprove it). You teach your own personal understanding of islam and claim your own authority.

What can happen at best is some other assholes will say you are not legit. Some scholar assholes will say your views are unwanted innovation and you are a deviant or you are not a true believer. What you do us tell them to get fucked and die and you do it anyway.

Scholars will disagree with your incel ideas. Women will hate you. Actual islamists with more knowledge than you have will consider you a last minute normie. Maybe they will be right but you can tell them "kiss my ass and fuck your life"

Theres going to be a "scholarly consensus" that we will have to defeat. Ok so what? is the same task when we want to challenge feminism or society. There is always " a consensus". Its the same deal when wyou do conspiracy theories, you go against consensus. What is new under the sun? Nothing.

[Sustacel250]

In Islam, you do not need permission to form a new interpretation.

And there is no supreme authority who can officially excommunicate you.

This would be the same in judaism. Do they have a pope? no, they dont they have priests and law like sanhedrin. So its a thing where super important rabbis are centers of the entire religions. Mossad agents are called "minigods" because they can do whatever they want. Rabbi chiefs are bunch of mafia overlords.

But there is no "official" rabbi authority, no supreme religious office, no single text can bind all jews and authority will be local and bunch of communities.

In a nutshell you can also declare yourself a jew and whos going to check it? No its not true you have to be born out of a jew vegene. For instance prager U offers judaism conversion to goys and he can explain to you why is a possibility. But you dont even have to follow him, you can totally invent it. You can say "im a jew" whos going to check it now?

In these religions, there is always a potential for incel growth. Because these religions are less authoritative and less centralized.

[Interferon]

Islam is still better than other systems for controlling foids. No other system does this large scale. The only other factor that is correlated throughout the world in terms of limiting women's rights is low GDP per capita.