You think patriarchy should be rediscovered or invented?

[Sustacel250]

I think contemporary narrative that prevails in the analyses of patriarchy is feminism.

Its really hard to remove feminism from a male head. I noticed it. Even the most based incels I know, have a strong feminist bias, they think feminism history is accurate, but there is a spin, they flip the narrative.

When you live in the frame of your enemy, no matter if you flip his narrative you still live in his grip.

For instance imagine the people who were labeled "atheist" a while ago. They were interacting mainly against christian people, I refer to hitchens and dawkins and so on. Broadly, on the internet, they are considered winners of debates and such meager accomplishments. In any case, they lost the day they chose to name themselves "atheist". Why? Because it is a slur.

In the bible and in gilgamesh and in ancient texts, call someone "godless" equates to when communists construct the ideological basis through class analysis necessary to demonize a group, follows death usually.

Or think of, for example, satanic panic. Some people saw all boomers scared of satanism, and they acquired the character of "the adversary" (of the boomer) and boomers crushed them. Why happens? Because they take the characterization of the enemy they are defined by the enemy.

Online they tell us often "SJW win if they label you". Which is correct. They win if they label you and incels broadly have really a hard time tackling this issue. Because incels are broadly described by mass media. Incels will rejoice because they are given "a role", but that is just a clever laid trap, the incel falls for it.

Well, I could expand each of these topics but the central point of this message is that patriarchy is not what we think it is. Because feminists told us what it is. Its not antisocial, its not inefficient, its not primarily done by lower strata people (feminists blame low status males) instead is done by elites, is not ended (elites still do it), its not about murder rape and comically stylized retarded feminist accounts of it, its not bigotry, its not traditional. Exactly, I dont think is a matter of tradition or any of that.

I think, and feel free to disagree with me if you want, that patriarchy has to be invented anew. I have some ideas. But I think there isnt much to "rediscover", rather all we can do is observe patriarchy where it exists: mostly in elite families.

[VH911]

gynocentrism is okay. just don't overdo it.

[Sustacel250]

gynocentrism is okay. just don't overdo it.

Well I heard people at the manosphere refer to gynocentrism. I am legit convinced we are doing matriarchy which is why everything is so dysfunctional.

Theres a negro author named chinweizu who talks about matriarchy in africa, its the one I reference for an honest account of the horrors of matriarchy, since africa is matriarchal. I think I see similar stuff in the west, increasingly more so. Men who listen to "female shamans" (how I call them), basically foids who interpret male emotions and give them morale and so on. This shit is what I see in the west. Im not sure I agree with gynocentrism theory. I think we are descending into matriarchy alarmingly fast.

I would assume best thing to do is counter it with patriarchy. But I mean a new one. For coincidence I wrote as a literary exercise of a fictional character that was using brain implants on foids. Its an exercise of fiction that I did not expand here due to forum rules of course.

[VH911]

gynocentrism is okay. just don't overdo it.

Well I heard people at the manosphere refer to gynocentrism. I am legit convinced we are doing matriarchy which is why everything is so dysfunctional.

Theres a negro author named chinweizu who talks about matriarchy in africa, its the one I reference for an honest account of the horrors of matriarchy, since africa is matriarchal. I think I see similar stuff in the west, increasingly more so. Men who listen to "female shamans" (how I call them), basically foids who interpret male emotions and give them morale and so on. This shit is what I see in the west. Im not sure I agree with gynocentrism theory. I think we are descending into matriarchy alarmingly fast.

I would assume best thing to do is counter it with patriarchy. But I mean a new one. For coincidence I wrote as a literary exercise of a fictional character that was using brain implants on foids. Its an exercise of fiction that I did not expand here due to forum rules of course.

matriarchy mainly because authority positions are increasingly occupied by females, government, education, institutions.
we need patriarchy, a new one, which is not based on religion, but science.

[Sustacel250]

matriarchy mainly because authority positions are increasingly occupied by females, government, education, institutions.
we need patriarchy, a new one, which is not based on religion, but science.

My view of "patriarchy" is that some elites expand their circle of trust outside of the family unit and I derive my bias from my views of political philosophy. I like "elite theory" and authors are mosca, pareto, machiavelli... In this context patriarch is a very competent person who figured out the foid menace and will handle and manage foids (but do many other things as well) and this is my bias. I declared it right now so you can understand my perspective

[VH911]

matriarchy mainly because authority positions are increasingly occupied by females, government, education, institutions.
we need patriarchy, a new one, which is not based on religion, but science.

My view of "patriarchy" is that some elites expand their circle of trust outside of the family unit and I derive my bias from my views of political philosophy. I like "elite theory" and authors are mosca, pareto, machiavelli... In this context patriarch is a very competent person who figured out the foid menace and will handle and manage foids (but do many other things as well) and this is my bias. I declared it right now so you can understand my perspective

it needs to be backed up by a strong base-law. but a democratic aspect is needed otherwise it won't be stable.

[Sustacel250]

it needs to be backed up by a strong base-law. but a democratic aspect is needed otherwise it won't be stable.

I was thinking enclave-based, so I would personally enter in competition with failing hierarchical structures, demonstrating the redistribution model of foids actually works. I think feminists created an advantageous chessboard where things like this can happen for real. Nowadays, even if sounds absurd to say it we live in a world of great opportunities.

[Vincent]

gynocentrism is okay.

what do you mean?

[VH911]

gynocentrism is okay.

what do you mean?

it's natural. we will always have it. it's one reason why we have incels

[Vincent]

it's natural. we will always have it.

uh... in afghanistan?

[VH911]

it's natural. we will always have it.

uh... in afghanistan?

Stop trolling. They are gynocentric as well. And men do NOT have it better there than women.

[Vincent]

Stop trolling. They are gynocentric as well. And men do NOT have it better there than women.

I'm not trolling. What about taliban is gynocentric? also why you think men dont have it better there than women?

[VH911]

Stop trolling. They are gynocentric as well. And men do NOT have it better there than women.

I'm not trolling. What about taliban is gynocentric? also why you think men dont have it better there than women?

Men always had it worse and will always have it worse. If women have it bad, then men MUST have it worse. For example taliban can not solve inceldom if more men are born and at the same time many men have multiple wives.

[Sustacel250]

Men always had it worse and will always have it worse. If women have it bad, then men MUST have it worse. For example taliban can not solve inceldom if more men are born and at the same time many men have multiple wives.

Interesting perspective. I think we men have it good.

I mean, if you measure reality with materialist perspectives like resource consumption for example, then you assign positive value to the idea the more you consume the more you live "good" then with this flawed perspective you are forced to conclude women are living the life.

But I have another point of view. And I think we men live the life. I mean that we men are given the higher responsibilities, and we also have higher rates of failure. But also we enjoy the highest rights if we succeed, we are selected the hardest which generates endless losers and few winners.

This process in a male life is potentially able to generate bigger rewards, while at the same time is very brutal, some sort of carnage.

Think of the incel scene. And notice how few incels are over 30. There are even less over 40. Over 50 can be counted in 2 hands.

Because inceldom is so brutal its cutting us all in a brutal competition. Just in my personal circle of friends 6 suicides, 2 recluses, many more neets. This is how brutal male life is. But I survived it. This isnt anything to boast of course I do not want to cope pretending survival is this big of an achievement or anything. Survival is just basic life, its like living like a plant.

What I wanted to say is that man life is awesome if you know how to appreciate it. If you merely measure resource consumption, yeah lets admit it women do have it better. But men life is all about being able to transform yourself. Failure also has a totally different meaning in a man life, you are expected to fail very often. Women instead cannot really fail in life, if they do they pay consequences that last forever. All my past failures instead amount to simply psychological things I have to overcome, which is not that hard.

[Sustacel250]

Think about pregnancy.

Woman failure = 9 months crippled, abortion, she can have disabled kids = genetic deadend failure.

Male failure = jizz another time and repeat. You didnt fail, you just spread semen randomly. Sometimes it works and oftentimes it doesnt. You dont care, youre not crippled by 9 months of pregnancy. One woman didnt work with your semen? try another. Simple as.

of course many will notice this inherent advantage of men is erased due to feminist tribunals, marriage and so on. Alright, its all true but these are all structures created to privilege foids and these foids will never escape the inherent misery of their woman nature.

[Vincent]

always had it worse and will always have it worse. If women have it bad, then men MUST have it worse. For example taliban can not solve inceldom if more men are born and at the same time many men have multiple wives.

in afghanistan, there is hope for incels, unlike in the west. Saying women always have it better is a bit retarded. surely there have been times were they had it worse. especially since they often had to deal with pregnancy, while men didn't.

[Vincent]

@VH911 you're saying every country on earth that ever existed and will ever exist is gynocentric. Then what is even the point of that word?

[VH911]

@VH911 you're saying every country on earth that ever existed and will ever exist is gynocentric. Then what is even the point of that word?

There's a difference between having a focus on women and basing your entire worldview on women and ignoring men.

[Vincent]

@VH911 you're saying every country on earth that ever existed and will ever exist is gynocentric. Then what is even the point of that word?

There's a difference between having a focus on women and basing your entire worldview on women and ignoring men.

I have no idea what you're talking about and you didn't reply to what I said. You said every country is gynocentric, which would make that word useless.

[VH911]

@VH911 you're saying every country on earth that ever existed and will ever exist is gynocentric. Then what is even the point of that word?

There's a difference between having a focus on women and basing your entire worldview on women and ignoring men.

I have no idea what you're talking about and you didn't reply to what I said. You said every country is gynocentric, which would make that word useless.

your iq is 84