Are you assimilationist incel?

[Sustacel250]

In the various derelict communities of this world, there are always competing positions.

In christian community some say "we have to work to be accepted by society and be good neighbors". Some say "screw society, we do christianity how is meant to be".

In the black community, some say "we have to improve ourselves and stop crime, no drugs, we have to match the standards of whites". Others say "fuck white people I want to go back to africa and be myself".

In the jew community, some say "our task ahead is integrate and be nice to people and achieve money". And others, zionists, say this "I will not bow down to society, I teach ancient hebrew to my kids and I will willingly turn them into rejects and incels to preserve my culture".

Poverty, violence, minority status, stuff like this makes us ask what are we going to do in the multiculty west. Theres no right answer but I tell you my position in relation to incel topics.

Some incels say this (assimilationists): They want to match the standards imposed on us by normies, they want to "be a normie". They impose on us norms and often set goals and standards set by normies. They want to do the "life milestones" of the normies, use the perceptions of the normies, use the woman as a meter to judge a man worth.

Then theres radical incels like myself. I am the equivalent of a zionist hardcore or a black who goes to africa and says "fuck white people". My main problem is the value systems of normies do not give me a chance to emerge or express any of my talents. If I was a jew I would need zionism to be a good jew. If I was a black I would need africa to be a competent black. I could never compare myself to white standards if I was black, because these whites establish hierarchy and society models I would not be suited to be part of.

As incel, is the same. I dont want to be normie. For example, dont want to follow their scripts like dating ideology or marriage ideology or "love" or romance or algorithmic hallucinations on social media. If I follow their models, I am not even "integrated" I would just fall in the bottom of their hierarchy and fail.

Having said that, with the acknowledgement that no position really is right. And you can be right doing any thing. I want to know whats your stance. If you want to be normie I respect you. It means, I can disagree with you, but believe me I respect you.

[CyberSchizo]

Assimilationist is a fancy way of say crab-bucket enthusiast. Don't pinch me and pull me downward into the ineluctable clutches of the crab commune. "I respect you": that's funny, if you respected me you'd scuttle away and hide underneath a rock, you little crab. Nothing is normal, the position of normalcy is predicated on presentiment and prejudice. What's normal to me is conventional to my perspective. Respect, in your vernacular, is a subliminal term for subverting someone's opinions and beliefs without out-right rejecting them. Scuttle away, crab.

[Sustacel250]

Assimilationist is a fancy way of say crab-bucket enthusiast. Don't pinch me and pull me downward into the ineluctable clutches of the crab commune. "I respect you": that's funny, if you respected me you'd scuttle away and hide underneath a rock, you little crab. Nothing is normal, the position of normalcy is predicated on presentiment and prejudice. What's normal to me is conventional to my perspective. Respect, in your vernacular, is a subliminal term for subverting someone's opinions and beliefs without out-right rejecting them. Scuttle away, crab.

Not sure I understand your criticism. By "respect" I mean I understand I may not be "right" and Im not here to enforce my hardcore incelism. Did I ever do it? No, I didnt expose any of my ideology. Yeah maybe I did let it transpire thru some posts and made it evident I dont like normies.

And what else I did? I dndt at all try to subvert this forum positions, they are all there intact and I didnt even touch them. This is what I mean by "respect", I am accepting the others positions and assuming they are as valid as mine. Feel free to not believe me Im 100% sincere. I dont lie here.

As for crab bucketeering. I can see is a term often used by normies. Well In my perspective they are crabs who want to drag me down with them, and make me accept their mating rituals. Normies often they have 1 fixed in stone position that is "absolutely true". And they can also teach it to us with operations. For example normies established the industry of life coaching, that teaches you "step by step" operations to "achieve" a normie life. And it can also work. I am not even one of these people that fail, I can make the normie pipeline work if I want to. Im not a failed loser, I can do the normie tricks like a pony, anyone can because they are so dumbed down anyone can do them. The pony tricks of the normies are the most visible and spread in our culture. We have youtube messaging, literature, art, coaches, gurus, intellectuals. This church is super visible cant tell me the message is not evident and dumbed down.

What im saying is if you wanna be a normie. Im cool with it. I "respect" your position. I even favor this outcome. My idea is if you become a normie, you will be happy and I will be happy as well. I wish all these normies on incels.is had sucess instead of failing. So they would have not stolen our wiki and our life on the internet. Wen a normie fails, its when we have problems. Zionism works if there is a sizeable portion of successful jews, if there arent, then it would cease working. It is same for me, paradoxically my incel extremism works best if also normie life conditions are met. Which is the reason I will always want to help normies. So, I would say Im not crab bucketeering.

[CyberSchizo]

Which is the reason I will always want to help normies.

"Paradoxically". See, there you go again. Insinuating something unbelievable yet somehow tangible. You're a crab trying to pulling me into your bucket of lies, nonsense, delusions and falsehoods. Scuttle away. I don't want to be anything except what I am and will be.

I can do the normie tricks like a pony

I can see that. This entire discussion is redundant.

[Sustacel250]

Paradoxically". See, there you go again. Insinuating something unbelievable yet somehow tangible. You're a crab trying to pulling me into your bucket of lies, nonsense, delusions and falsehoods

Ah ok if you feel like pointing out some of my flaws, contradictions or stuff I did to you or others. I can address the points. Or if dont wanna talk to me ok too.

I sum it up: i think low status groups always have great disagreements in their own low status community. Some want to "fit in". Some dont. Its like when you observe the great variety in black groups. Some blacks say "hey look, whitey lets us be rap superstars and they invented a role in society for us". And they happily take the role of the normies. Or, some blacks say "hey look, theres white cuckolds that also let us fuck their wife" and they are super happy. What more could they desire? Sex, booze, rap music, all offered on a silver platter to them.

But other blacks instead say "screw you, fuck your normie life I hate white people and im going back to africa". Ok? So they disagree with each other. Like in zionism. Some jews say main mission is to "be like them, abandon their religion, become more friendly". I would side with zionism, I would not want to bow down to people like E.M.Jones who wish me to become a slave.

So yeah conflicts are inevitable. People have reasons and their reasons are good. In groups at the border of society theres always internal conflict, even in your local homeless shelter you have no idea how they hate each other.

I thought we could have discussed it, evidently the conflicts simply cannot be removed.

[CyberSchizo]

Paradoxically". See, there you go again. Insinuating something unbelievable yet somehow tangible. You're a crab trying to pulling me into your bucket of lies, nonsense, delusions and falsehoods

I thought we could have discussed it, evidently the conflicts simply cannot be removed.

I am not interested in the inevitable conflicts, the Hobbesian struggle of life's perpetual warfare or some other philosophical rubbish. This discussion or the impossibility of it will not resolve your anguish and misery.


Why is crab, why is normie? This is the contemplative inquiry that strikes you as profound. It's not. I'm not going to write a wall of text to explain how insignificant and uninspired it is.

[Sustacel250]

Why is crab, why is normie? This is the contemplative inquiry that strikes you as profound. It's not. I'm not going to write a wall of text to explain how insignificant and uninspired it is.

Basically im a pseud on the internet. You can cut it down and say im pseud or dunning kruger.

Honestly I disagree, I think my comparison with this frame like "assimilationist vs extremist" is novelty. Never seen it in incel scene before. If there is, then I must have wrote it with another account and probably even back then nobody did read it.

Im unpopular in incel scene same as it is with normie scene. Probably I belong wth normies more than is with incels but I decided I stick with incels regardless. If they dont want my benevolent protection isnt an issue. I will just do it anyway

[CyberSchizo]

I would side with zionism, I would not want to bow down to people like E.M.Jones who wish me to become a slave.

I don't subscribe to dogma or systems of value. It's annoying that you're honest enough to admit how lowly and pathetic it is to do so, yet also endorse the submission to collectivist systems to embolden your position in society. Zionists want to enslave every other race and group, and you're saying you think incels ought to be the same so that they not be subjected to society's principles and instead rule over society in order to subject others to their principles. Well, that's pretty wily and duplicitous.

[Sustacel250]

you're saying you think incels ought to be the same so that they not be subjected to society's principles and instead rule over society in order to subject others to their principles. Well, that's pretty wily and duplicitous.

Buddy dont make me do the jordan peterson "so youre saying" meme. I didnt say that, obviously.

I think I was sufficiently able to convey my message. Ok, I apologize if I may have expressed what you read in my message. Could it be I expressed myself poorly?

Now that I cleared this is now what I meant. I would like to rephrase it: I side with the "no-assimilation". I made examples. I side with the nazi ethno nationalist, the communist ethno pluralist, the zionist, the radical christian who opens a small village and lives like a hippy, the commune of tard communists, the feminist island (therer is one), blacks who hate whitey, the tranny who is not wiling to conform. Whatever. I think I have more sympathy for these positions. Including the incel red brigade communists or whatever it is. I am not comparing myself to these people and all of them achieved in life more than I did, much more. I am more "low level" compared to each of these extremists. Still this is overall what I think is the position that suits me best.

Basically in life I like to go this route: accentuate difference, remove myself from the group. You can point out eventual hypocrisy from me, if you feel like it. I am for example not removed from society entirely, I do have contacts with normies, I am not unabomber and I do enjoy a western comfy existence. Some say these are all "contradictions" I dont see it that way. I think I can individuate myself in this manner and it is not a contradiction in my perspective.

So my comparison with the zionist is more related to these first zionists who were training their kids to learn ancient hebrew and inflicted inceldom on them. People would have said they are crazy and ther tongue was dead like latin or ancient greek. No it wasnt dead, they brainwashed their own kids, accepted to be hated. And thanks to this extremism now they are one of the fiercest menaces in the whole planet.

I am not admiring them, alright? Hope you get my point.

[CyberSchizo]

Basically im a pseud on the internet. You can cut it down and say im pseud or dunning kruger.

People have accused me of the same. It doesn't disprove or discredit us, it's merely an ad hominem. It's meaningless.

"assimilationist vs extremist"

It seems obsolete to even ponder it. The dichotomy is relative and will contradict itself. Every consideration of an absolute condition is postulated on the premise of sheer belief. You should contrast collectivism with individualism instead. Assimilationism implies conformity, but extremism might not.

Probably I belong wth normies more than is with incels but I decided I stick with incels regardless. If they dont want my benevolent protection isnt an issue. I will just do it anyway

You say that like you're a vigilante hero to the incels or something. You're not protecting anyone or anything. It doesn't matter what you do or say in regards to incels, it will ultimately amount to nothing.

[CyberSchizo]

Basically in life I like to go this route: accentuate difference, remove myself from the group.

You remove yourself from a group and engender a smaller group. Okay, got it buddy.

[Sustacel250]

You say that like you're a vigilante hero to the incels or something. You're not protecting anyone or anything. It doesn't matter what you do or say in regards to incels, it will ultimately amount to nothing.

Come on pal. I was cheerful I didnt take myself too seriously. Yes Im inspired by comics like any other nerd. Come on let me pass this atttiude. I am sure you realize im not being hostile.

By the way, sure you can talk individual vs collective but I dont like the frame. I mean, to me, the 2 things work together. So in my estimate I would be able to be more "Individualist" if I belonged to a collective followed rules and achieved integration with abstract ideals that dont exist like "rule of law" or "science". So in a way I would be "conforming" very hard, which is what im doing.

In my comparison extremist vs assimilationist I think I also made it clear my solution is to have both. Because I think is in our interest to also help the normies. If I was zionist would I benefit from having jews all poor dispossessed? Yes and no is the answer, but is more like a srong "NO" in many cases. I would want the jews to have power.

Is the same in my incel perspective. I dont want normies to be losers. Contrary to that I wish their algorithmic normie life was working. I wish these putrid redpill instructions they follow worked for real. Instaed the zombie normies beat their heads on a wall repeat algorithm even if broken. I think you can see why is best to reach a compromise.

I think a compromise could be we do status redistributions, we grant normies a "good life". And by "we" I dont mean I have the power to do it and im batman and im planning a perfect society with my super computer. Let me use some nerd jargon.

[CyberSchizo]

You say that like you're a vigilante hero to the incels or something. You're not protecting anyone or anything. It doesn't matter what you do or say in regards to incels, it will ultimately amount to nothing.

Come on pal. I was cheerful I didnt take myself too seriously. Yes Im inspired by comics like any other nerd. Come on let me pass this atttiude. I am sure you realize im not being hostile.

By the way, sure you can talk individual vs collective but I dont like the frame. I mean, to me, the 2 things work together. So in my estimate I would be able to be more "Individualist" if I belonged to a collective followed rules and achieved integration with abstract ideals that dont exist like "rule of law" or "science". So in a way I would be "conforming" very hard, which is what im doing.

In my comparison extremist vs assimilationist I think I also made it clear my solution is to have both. Because I think is in our interest to also help the normies. If I was zionist would I benefit from having jews all poor dispossessed? Yes and no is the answer, but is more like a srong "NO" in many cases. I would want the jews to have power.

Is the same in my incel perspective. I dont want normies to be losers. Contrary to that I wish their algorithmic normie life was working. I wish these putrid redpill instructions they follow worked for real. Instaed the zombie normies beat their heads on a wall repeat algorithm even if broken. I think you can see why is best to reach a compromise.

I think a compromise could be we do status redistributions, we grant normies a "good life". And by "we" I dont mean I have the power to do it and im batman and im planning a perfect society with my super computer. Let me use some nerd jargon.

I understand what you're saying. If you were a member of some minority group you would seek to tip the scale of social prominence in favor of your group, and I'm sure you would establish civil supremacy through unconscionable and iniquitous means; but I think that's an abstruse and far-fetched way of considering things. I'd rather admit my solitary position and be clear-minded about it.

Collectives and individuals do coincide, but they're not mutually inclusive. Enjoy whatever inquiries amuse you, it won't be long until you forget them altogether.

[Sustacel250]

I'd rather admit my solitary position and be clear-minded about it

To be clear my final incel position is this: society sucks normies suck

Instead of making you read a ton of posts I TLDR for you. I think society sucks. Thats it.

Basically the presentation we have received from MGTOW is "society is broken". I do not agree. I think society is functional and yes it is reaching levels where is becoming really bad, but is not "broken" like they want to say. I see these people as normies who failed to assimilate. But I can quote you 100 different stories of normies who instead succeded in assimilation.

I mean, they selectively focus on failure, but if I was dishonest same as they are I could also focus selectively on success and showcase a ton of success stories. They do the opposite they do the failure stories. And I know why they do it, but I dont want to prolong the shitpost too long anyway.

My position is this one: Society sucks. Even if it was working. It would suck the same. So my idea is I dont assimilate, regardless if it works or not. Its like with life coaching manuals, the point is not if they work or not, the point is they suck and I dont want to do it anyway.

This is an incel position less used usually. We in incel scene tend to do the "society is broken" type of narrative so we live in communion with redpill and MGTOW and the broader manuresphere context. Im from a minority incel group (we were original blackpillers) who has developed the perspective the system simply sucks and we have no obligation to follow the pattern.

[Sustacel250]

you would establish civil supremacy through unconscionable and iniquitous means; but I think that's an abstruse and far-fetched way of considering things

No im low level lower grade. Im not a leader of movements. But yes I did join multiple political parties yes also I did politics and entered city council. No, im not capable of being a scheming planner gigaIQ and im no revolutionary. My skills have evident limits. Examples I made are just to present easy to understand comparisons. I am under no illusion im sort of a batman hero. I know my limits, theres people out there much better than me, probably majority of normies scheme much harder than I do and also succeed more than I do.

[CyberSchizo]

To be clear my final incel position is this: society sucks normies suck

Instead of making you read a ton of posts I TLDR for you. I think society sucks. Thats it.

Basically the presentation we have received from MGTOW is "society is broken". I do not agree. I think society is functional and yes it is reaching levels where is becoming really bad, but is not "broken" like they want to say. I see these people as normies who failed to assimilate. But I can quote you 100 different stories of normies who instead succeded in assimilation.

I mean, they selectively focus on failure, but if I was dishonest same as they are I could also focus selectively on success and showcase a ton of success stories. They do the opposite they do the failure stories. And I know why they do it, but I dont want to prolong the shitpost too long anyway.

My position is this one: Society sucks. Even if it was working. It would suck the same. So my idea is I dont assimilate, regardless if it works or not. Its like with life coaching manuals, the point is not if they work or not, the point is they suck and I dont want to do it anyway.

This is an incel position less used usually. We in incel scene tend to do the "society is broken" type of narrative so we live in communion with redpill and MGTOW and the broader manuresphere context. Im from a minority incel group (we were original blackpillers) who has developed the perspective the system simply sucks and we have no obligation to follow the pattern.

I agree. Society sucks but it's miraculously functional. The people who participate in it are like crabs and yank each other down into their respective buckets. We're all better off alone for the most part, especially people like us. We do need jobs but we don't need the company of obsequious, two-face annoyances that just want to use us for their personal gain. Most people are boring anyway, and you can always read about the interesting ones who changed the world.

[CyberSchizo]

No im low level lower grade. Im not a leader of movements. But yes I did join multiple political parties yes also I did politics and entered city council.

This isn't the time for that anyway. We live in a period of virtual degeneration and stagnation. I'm better off playing video games and watching movies instead of joining some radical faction. The things that are happening right now are regressive and detrimental. Gen Z sucks and they'll definitely run society into the ground. I'm going to be a hermit for the rest of my life. These people drove me crazy, they're annoying and incredibly dumb.

[CyberSchizo]

I mean, they selectively focus on failure, but if I was dishonest same as they are I could also focus selectively on success and showcase a ton of success stories. They do the opposite they do the failure stories. And I know why they do it, but I dont want to prolong the shitpost too long anyway.

They attempt to martyr themselves by portraying a narrative of immense hardship and suffering. Mostly everyone's problems are mediocre and commonplace, and most of these problems are caused by voluntary ignorance and self-destruction. It's only afterwards that morons attempt to rationalize their problems by making them appear like feats of endurance and perseverance. Again, people annoy me with their bullshit. i'm sick of these self-aggrandizing sob stories.

[Sustacel250]

I agree. Society sucks but it's miraculously functional. The people who participate in it are like crabs and yank each other down into their respective buckets.

May be. I dont mean that either. I just said I think society sucks in my perspective. I said I considered positions of groups at the margin I think they do best to not go along with society. Simple as. Not going along = better (in my opinion). Go along and integrate = bad stuff you achieve nothing.

[CyberSchizo]

I agree. Society sucks but it's miraculously functional. The people who participate in it are like crabs and yank each other down into their respective buckets.

May be. I dont mean that either. I just said I think society sucks in my perspective. I said I considered positions of groups at the margin I think they do best to not go along with society. Simple as. Not going along = better (in my opinion). Go along and integrate = bad stuff you achieve nothing.

Most people are too caught up in grief or personal troubles to fully assimilate to an ideological group. They try to extrapolate their personal beliefs and issues onto the group which is intellectually unconscionable because it fundamentally contradicts the ideals and values of the group.